After the midway point in his 90-day program, he switches from learning prophesy to exercising prophesy so the clients can move on to doubting your doubts.

Because once you have testimonies you don't have to listen to vain arguments.

As far as testimonies go Gary often jokes that he does not have a great testimony for himself, just for his parents, because they gave him a love of the scriptures as a child, a relationship with the Lord that kept him from getting into serious trouble or rebellion.

Now though, he says, he has the greatest testimony, because like him his children walk out their adult lives as strong believers, walking in the gifts, sharing the Gospel as they go. He laughs when people ask “What happened when they rebelled? He says, “Well if they rebelled it must have been when they went off to university and got in trouble for correcting the churches they attended there.” Because he heard about that. LOL.

Gary preached his first sermon at 16. Decided he didn’t think he could put up with seminary professors and went into the world of retail and restaurant management. All the while teaching the Word to those that will listen and occasionally ‘filling the pulpit’ when someone was out sick or on vacation.

But then 23 years ago, the story that started all the other stories happened!

Gary, his lovely wife, the nicest person he ever met, and their 2 children had been enjoying the life of a Christian family. At church at 3- 4 times a week, 50 weeks a year, the other 2 weeks at a different church while on vacation. They were in the same denomination as his parents and their parents going back to the many years, clear back to European roots.

One Sunday all that changed, of all places for things to happened it went down in the 3-to-4-year old’s Sunday School classroom some 20 years ago. You see Gary’s son tended to leave his Sunday School classroom and go find his dad or mom where they would be teaching adult men’s class or women’s group somewhere else in the building. So, after several of those escapes, Gary at 6’3” would run the little kid’s class somewhat like a recent movie, back then, called Kindergarten Cop. The kids listened to the lesson, then did their crafts, and then when the weather was good had to march around the building holding on to their rope while singing their songs.

On that day it was wet outside so the singing would be in the classroom. At the start of class, a new couple with a young boy came in, wanting to drop him off for class but they were not in a hurry to leave. So, they were seated against the wall while Gary and his two long blonde hair teenage helpers got through the bible lesson and were started on a craft project before the couple decided to leave the boy in the classroom. This was fine, all was good until we got to 1st song, Jesus’ loves me; then the new boy erupted growling and banging his head on the table. As the boy was calmed down one of the blonde girl teens was dispatched to find the pastor.

After the pastor was there Gary attempted the next song Nothing But The Blood the boy threw himself on the ground repeatedly yelling something while banging his head on the floor.

Next, that pastor got ahold of the senior pastor, the church counselor, the child’s parents and discussed the situation out in the hallway Gary had left the children with the young ladies entertaining the kids with another craft project. What Gary heard next changed the rest of his life: the senior pastor and church counselor advised the parents to take their boy down the street to the Catholic Church and see the priest for deliverance.

That sentence messed up Gary, what was he supposed to do now? How do you protect yourself? Was it contagious? Did the whole class need to go see a priest? Never seeing the movie but wondering what does an exorcism looks like? How do I protect my family, my children?

With this dramatic experience of the supernatural Gary was led to leave his multigenerational denominational background and search out truth and power. He has been on a journey to get all that God has to offer for himself, his family, and his future students.

Guess what? God is the rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. Gary has grown in all the gifts and desires that all who want to learn grow also.

From his rural Michigan desk, Gary has since trained hundreds of people from all around the world in the supernatural gifts of Prophecy, Words-of-Knowledge, Words of Wisdom, Healing, Deliverance, Walking in the Presence of God, Transforming Atmospheres, and Power Evangelism. He is acknowledged as an online presence and trainer who works with several ministries.